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Timetable Changes - details published
We have now received a draft version of the Northern's
timetable starting from December 2022 (yes, 2022).
You can download
a copy of the Buxton line table here
The aim of the changes is to reduce the congestion in
the Manchester area caused by the timetable in force
after the opening of the 'Ordsall Chord' line. Our
response to this has to be somewhat mixed. In brief:
The weekday service between Davenport to
Manchester will be two trains per hour with two peak
time extras morning and evening (slightly
....with 30-minute even intervals between trains
through the day both to and from Manchester (good).
All Northern trains will serve Davenport and
Woodsmoor, none will pass through without stopping as
some do now (good).
Service to/from Buxton will be half-hourly around peak
times, at other times alternate trains will be
Manchester - Hazel Grove only (good in some respects).
Sunday service remains hourly (Very disappointing).
There will no longer be through services beyond
Manchester Piccadilly to Oxford Road, Deansgate,
Salford Crescent and towards Blackpool (Very
There will be no through trains from the Crewe and
Macclesfield lines, either. In earlier versions there
would have been a couple of trains between Hazel Grove
and Wigan in the peak, but even these are
now scrapped. We are not told what rolling
stock will be used: it would be a shame if we lost our
new electric trains in favour of old diesels.
The full documents with timetables for all lines and
information on how to give feedback can be downloaded
. We at Friends of Davenport Station would
welcome your comments, especially about the loss of
through services. Write to firstname.lastname@example.org
16 November 2021
Some time ago we asked Northern if something could be
done to make the path to the car park safer in the
dark, when the steps are hard to see. The edges have now
been re-painted yellow, which should help matters,
especially after the clocks go back, although we will
continue to press for a better solution.
Still a live problem is excessive vegetation growth (not
to mention general junk) which has been allowed behind
the platforms, especially the Japanese Knotweed behind
the Buxton-bound side. An 'annual spraying' has been
done recently, but we are not confident; these
matters are really beyond the ability of 'Community
Rail' volunteers, and of course the 'lockdown' has not
16 September 2021.
The current display in the station waiting toom
(open Mon-Sat mornings) is an art project based on the
four seasons, by 1st Davenport Rainbows. Rainbows are a
group of the Girlguiding organisation for girls aged
five to seven.
New members are welcome: see
the guiding website
Other community groups interested in displaying in
our four A3 frames, please contact Friends of Davenport
Station at email@example.com.
2 August 2021
Our hourly Hazel Grove to Blackpool service calls at
Deansgate station, a useful link to the Deansgate
area of the city. It also has access over a footbridge
to Metrolink's Deansgate-Castlefield stop, which has
services which do not pass through Piccadilly station,
- the Airport line and South Manchester line to
Chorlton and Didsbury. However, be aware that
trains towards Hazel Grove do not stop at Deansgate,
except for three in the evening peak. This is to
avoid congestion of that part of the line, it in our
It does appear that the money spent on the 'Ordsall
Chord' line - mainly for the benfit of Airpost
passengers, may not have been the best use for railway
December 2022 timetable
Some may recall the 'Task Force' consultation
earlier this year regarding possible timetable changes
to avoid the chaos created by the unworkable 2018
version. This document and, our article on this,
and our response, are still available via the links at
the bottom of this page.
Three options, A B and C were on offer. The
'Transport for the North' organisation has now presented
their choice, in the form of a 'B-plus version'.
Unfortunately this includes the feature of option
B that we objected to at the time: loss of direct
connection with stations beyond Piccadilly, losing the
connection with Metrolink at Deansgate, and abandoning
the electrification of the Stockport to Hazel Grove line
in favour of a half-hourly all-diesel service between
Piccadilly and Buxton (also depriving us of comfortable
modern trains.) The proposal results stations in
Stockport including Cheadle Hulme and Heaton Chapel
losing a through connection as well as the Hazel Grove
branch, as the Alderley Edge - Southport service is
severed. Yet this was a justification for the
building of the 'Windsor Link' from Deansgate to Salford
Crescent in the 1980s; the creation of the new
'Ordsall Chord' seems to have proved very disruptive.
The only exception is the East Midlands Nottingham -
Liverpool service which calls at Stockport, Piccadilly
and Oxford Road.
The proposal diverts both Blackpool - Manchester trains
to the Airport, at present they alternate between the
Airport and Hazel Grove.
Above is an extract from the full report which can be downloaded at this link
The comparison tables are a a little misleading, as
until October 2019 the Hazel Grove - Blackpool service
ran in addition to
a half-hourly Buxton service.
Of course stations to Buxton would gain benefit from a
half-hourly service, and certainly an extra train in the
peak periods, suitable for school students and Stelling
Hill Hospital passengers, should be provided, but losing
an important link across Greater Manchester, serving
four Universities, and providing other useful
connections, is surely of equal importance.
Comments on this are very welcome:
20 July 2021
Led by the Department of Transport, rail companies have
introduced a type 'season ticket' designed for people
who travel to work on only some days of the week. The
idea is that you load on to your Northern Smartcard
(available free from the ticket office) or smart phone a
a batch of 8 day return tickets for your chosen route,
which can be used on any day of your choice within 28
days. of the first use.
This is why card-readers have been installed at the
station: you'll need to 'tap in' and 'tap out' with a
flexi ticket. At present this does not apply to any
other kind of ticket, or the Concession pass, although
possibly that may change.
A good idea, but there are a number of complications,
some of them caused by the fact that traditional season
tickets are issued for a calendar month - to match
people's salary payments presumably - rather than
The railway companies have created a 'calculator'
which you can use to work out the
advantages of otherwise, but even that has a caveat:
' If you are travelling 3 days per week, you
will need more than one Flexi Season Ticket in a
month. Flexi Season Tickets are valid for up to 28
days so any days travel unused can be used in the
following calendar month. This is not reflected in the
Calculator when a 3 day per week work pattern is
selected for an odd number of months (i.e. 1, 3, 5
etc). For a comparable Price per Day, please select an
even (i.e. 2, 4, 6 etc) number of months.'
As an example, consider someone travelling three times
per week from Davenport to Manchester, based on a
two-month period as calculated by the magic calculator :
An ordinary day return ticket costs £6.70.
An ordinary Monthly season costs £93 which is £7.75 per
journey if used just three times a week, and can of
course be used every other day in the month).
The 28-day Flexi Season Ticket costs £46.90 which
(according to the calculator) works out at £5.86 per
journey if used three times per week.
If you travel four days per week, the flexi methods
looks less attractive as an ordinary monthly is slightly
cheaper If you travel one day per week, a flexi ticket
will expire before you can finish using it. If some of
your journeys are on Saturday or Sunday when off-peak
tickets can be used, the equation changes again...
20 July 2021
Note for Concession Card users
If you paid the £10 annual fee imposed in those far-off
days before lockdown, to extend your travel to
train travel within Greater Manchester, your card is
still valid until 21 June 2021 without further
payment. You may find that the railway's IT
systems have not been amended to cover this, and your
card will not operate ticket gates or register on
the app used by 'revenue inspectors'. This is not
a problem, the staff are aware.
11 May 2021
The timetable changes
New timetables apply across the National Rail network
from 17 May: take care to check your train time in
advance using the Northern website or app. The
principal change as far as our line is concerned is that
late evening services are re-instated. You can return
from Manchester Piccadilly at 22:10 and 23:24 Mondays to
Fridays: an irritating feature, inherited from the
pre-Covid days, is that there is also a train from
Piccadilly to Buxton at 23:11, but it doesn't stop at
Davenport or Woodsmoor. Why? Who knows. But
on Monday - Thursday 17 -20 May
our last 'train'
is a replacement bus at 23:11 due to engineering work.
On Saturdays there are departures from Piccadilly at
22:10 and 23:07 to Buxton and 23:17 to Hazel Grove, but
the 23:17 does not stop at Davenport or Woodsmoor so
your last train is earlier on Saturdays when people
might want a later one. This really is hard to fathom.
On Sundays the last train is at 22:48.
The morning service to Manchester is much the same as
before: and commuters to Davenport from the High
Peak are still incovenienced by the train from Buxton
which could call here about 08:20 but does not stop.
There is a reason for this: the train has to stay out of
the way of an East Midlands Railway train which calls at
Hazel Grove four minutes behind, but really something
should be done about this. Even the great and good
Mayor of Greater Manchester has failed to change things.
Bad news for countryside lovers is that Middlewood
station, gateway to the marvellous Middlewood Way, which
has been enjoying an hourly service on weekdays, reverts
to the old regime with two-hour gaps in service.
11 May 2021
From 29 March the Government has lifted the 'stay at
home' restriction, kids are back to school, and car
traffic is more or less back to normal, but can we now
make 'non-essential' public transport journeys? We have
checked with Northern, who confirm that we can, subject
to the usual rules on social distancing and compulsory
mask-wearing on trains and stations. We'd recommend that
you keep your journeys within the local area, but
there's no definite rule about this.
The current 'temporary timetable' for Monday-Saturday is
on this link
. Two points to note:
service from Manchester finishes earlier in the day that
usual (21:44 from Manchester Piccadilly) and all trains
are now calling at Middlewood, offering a better service
than normal for people wishing to enjoy a walk on the
Middlewood Way. Bear in mind that Davenport and
Woodsmoor stations are busy at times with school
students attending the schools in our area.
There's no timetable leaflet for Sundays: it appears
that we have an hourly service between Manchester and
Buxton, but Middlewood is only served two-hourly,
despite Sunday being the day when more people might want
to travel there.
Here's a list
of engineering work
planned for Easter.
31 March 2020.
February 2021 and the 'lockdown' continues, although you
might not believe it from the traffic on Bramhall
Lane. Friends Groups are again banned from working
on the gardens, etc, and those of us without a car are
banned from 'non-essential' use of public transport, but
at least we are still here.
Meanwhile the Department of Transport and their
associates have been musing over the congestion in the
Manchester area created by the timetable implemented
back in 2008 which increased the number of trains
passing though Piccadilly station. A 'Task Force' has
produced a document for 'open consultation', which can
from their site
We have made a short summary covering how Davenport and
Woodsmoor stations would be affected by the various
options on offer. This can be downloaded
from our website
We welcome any comments on our document or the subject
in general: email them to firstname.lastname@example.org
18 February 2021.
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